Veterans and Sexual Health: A Hidden Crisis

Folks, I’m sitting down.

Elliot (01:12.044)
Yes.

David Morrow (01:17.606)
with one of our favorite guests here, Dr. Elliot Justin. He’s a certified MD and he’s got an awesome piece of tech and you’ve probably seen it if you watch more than this episode on the show. It’s called the Firm Tech Ring and I like talking about sexual health here because I don’t think many podcasts in general, especially ones that are within the veteran space, talk about sexual health because for me, this is like the pointy end of the spear, no pun intended. Actually,

total pun intended, of your health. If you have a healthy sex life, means things are tracking in the right direction. And if you don’t have a healthy sex life, like the good doctor will tell us, it’s a warning sign for serious health concerns that you need to be aware of. So, Doc, Elliot, it’s always a pleasure to have you back on the show. let’s get right back into it. I was watching a really interesting talk you did in Finland. It’s a biohackers conference.

You mentioned a lot of stuff that I just wasn’t aware of. And I guess the first thing is, and we can segue into, you know, why you have the Firmtec Tech Ring and what that is exactly. But this is going to be a bombshell, think, for most guys. PD-5 drugs, like Cialis, Viagra, are only 20 % effective. Why is that? Why do we have a drug that, in my opinion, gives you a boner?

Elliot (02:38.754)
Yeah.

David Morrow (02:44.742)
but it clearly only works 20 % of the time. So let’s get into it. Let’s get right into that topic right away.

Elliot (02:51.118)
Well, I can tell you Dave, I almost feel like going to my bathroom and popping into Taladafil right now and seeing if I get a heart on, because it ain’t happening. Yeah, mean, you’re a good looking guy, but it ain’t happening. Even my wife’s in the room too. And that’s the power of pharma and advertising. it’s actually a dangerous power. So this is the most commonly prescribed drug for rectal dysfunction.

David Morrow (02:56.232)
Teachable moment.

David Morrow (03:08.392)
Mm-hmm.

Elliot (03:19.854)
It’s also the most commonly taken drug for sexual recreational sex by men just to try to improve their performance. If you go back to the original Viagra papers that were submitted to the FDA for approval back in the 1990s, there were seven of them. Two of those papers, it was no more effective, Viagra this, was no more effective than placebo. The only paper that showed really strong efficacy, 70 % of the men responded, was the man who had

David Morrow (03:42.45)
Mm-hmm.

Elliot (03:49.226)
recovering from prostate surgery and those men are Have sustained trauma to this to their sexual organs that your average guy who has erectile dysfunction has not sustained and that It’s really you flabbergasting I mean the pills are relatively benign there are there are side effects both headaches and eyes and

issues with lowering blood pressure and they’re overall if they’re taking proper they’re safe medication. Unfortunately, a lot of guys don’t approach them safely. It’s like hey if one works or if one didn’t work I’ll take two or I’ll take three. Think about how unscientific it is. So if you have high blood pressure you don’t go to the doctor and say you know I feel like I have high blood pressure. My heart pounds when I walk up a flight of steps the doctor says oh Dave take this pill

Come back in three months, see ya. No, you would think, what the fuck, doc? You got a blood pressure cuff in the office? You have an electric cardiogram machine? You’re gonna check my low proteins? And that’s how we’re treating rectal dysfunction with men. We doctors are doing a disservice to men. We are treating men with pills and without asking them about what is really going on. When do you have a rectal dysfunction? So the most important question to ask yourself or…

David Morrow (04:50.152)
I’m sorry.

Elliot (05:12.738)
As a man, Dr. Nackert asked this question because not electronic health record is, is my problem that I can’t attain erection or that I can’t sustain erection? If a guy can’t attain erection with some regularity, not like, I met some woman and I couldn’t get it up. I mean, if this is a regular problem, you can’t attain erection, you got a big problem probably. You probably have significant cardiovascular disease, and or diabetes or some neurological problem that’s affecting you. But most men’s problem is not that.

Most of those problems, get an erection, they lose it. And this could be for a whole variety of reasons. It could be due to performance anxiety. It could be a distraction. It could be due to things that guys don’t like talk about with their, especially their female partners, which is, I’m bored. We’ve been married 15 years, making love in the same position. If you like, doesn’t work for me. Or in the back of their head.

You’ve had three babies and you’re 55 years old. I don’t get any friction in this position. No guy’s gonna tell his wife ever, hey, your pussy’s loose. I don’t recommend any guy be honest. We talk a lot about honesty and communication. there’s certain things you don’t wanna be honest about. Maybe if you have a special wife, you can. I can with my wife, but I don’t recommend it most guys. And…

David Morrow (06:20.626)
That’s a difficult conversation to have. That’s a hard one to come back from.

Elliot (06:36.046)
And so, or it could be to diabetes, hypertension, medications. We doctors stupidly prescribe a lot of, them cock-killing medications. And depressants. You know, you think about it, you got a guy who’s depressed, and then you give him a drug that’s gonna kill his dick. I’d never, the insensitivity of that has always boggled my mind. And then antihypertensives. And in your community of veterans, often men have multiple problems. They are pre-diabetic. They are overweight.

David Morrow (06:54.29)
Yeah, it’s wild.

Elliot (07:05.358)
They’re taking at the hypotenses, they’re taking at the depressants, and they’re drinking. And so have this combination of factors that are killing their dick. But they get an erection, and then they lose it. Now, every erection ends in blood leaving the penis. I call it venous leak syndrome. And a ring, effective, comfortable ring, is a mechanical solution to that problem. Everyone gets venous leak. We are all on the road from…

rectal fitness, rectal dysfunction. And the one thing that we all get is venous leak and we can’t control it with an effective ring. And again, back to the PD-5 medications, Salus, Didylofil, so down to Fulviagra, they put more blood into the penis. But if your problem is you get an erection, you lose it, yeah, putting more blood in the penis is nice, it’ll keep your heart a little bit longer, but you’re losing the blood and those drugs don’t keep the blood in the penis. A mechanical solution is more effective.

So there’s a doctor, this is gonna be presented at the American Rheology Association Congress this spring. There’s a physician, Dr. Amy Perlman, did a study comparing our ring, the maximum performance ring, to 10 milligrams of Cialis and Tadalafel, the most commonly prescribed PD-5 medication in the world. And it showed that our ring is just as effective. And why is that? Because most men have venous leak and the pills don’t.

David Morrow (08:04.476)
That makes sense.

Elliot (08:32.974)
don’t help. our, our cock ring, there are other brands that I think are decent. There are lasso’s, there’s a docks with sling box balls. Um, I think it’s more, it’s better because obviously one for more than 20, 30 minutes safely, but a ring is a mechanical solution to Venus League. If a man wants to rock harder, last longer, be confident, put a ring on it. Taking a pill is good too. Because taking a pill, I’ll talk about my own personal experience. After climax,

The ring will keep me hard for another four five minutes, which is nice. I don’t need to, you know, I’m married many, many years. I don’t need to keep on thrusting to please my wife, but it’s a different mindset. mean, Dave, you and I both know that in a successful marriage, the woman comes first and maybe third feet, right?

So the, but the mindset of a guy who’s, who’s, who’s, has a sustained directions, very diff, comfortably sustained direction after climax is very different than a guy who’s just come. Cause the male mindset is come and done. Hey, I’ve had an orgasm. Uh, what’s not, you know, who texted me while we’re fucking or what’s, know, what I want, I want to drink. I need to pop a pot or let’s go to sleep. Um, as opposed to a guy who’s still hard afterwards. It’s, it, it, it’s just, you know, it sustains the intimacy. I would say it makes the relationship more intimate and more romantic.

David Morrow (09:41.05)
Yeah, it’s like, man, I’m hungry.

David Morrow (09:52.136)
Mmm.

Elliot (09:52.342)
So I’d recommend to guys, put a ring on it and take a pill. But put a ring on it is a better solution for most guys.

David Morrow (09:55.72)
Yeah.

Well, I can attest being a user of the tech ring, I’m a bit of a science nerd. I like getting data, especially novel data, where I see how many boners I’m getting at night. That in itself is cool. And never having, until I talk to you, the thought of having a cock ring, like, so my buddy joked, hey, are you still a cock ring salesman? I’m like, yup, I made it, man. I made it.

Elliot (10:24.94)
you

David Morrow (10:26.92)
Honestly, out of all the things that I’ve ever had an affiliate deal with on the show, hands down, this ring is by far the most bought item on my show. And so there’s obviously something going on here because as soon as guys are aware, and I’d be curious to know if it’s the wife or the girlfriend that’s buying them or the men themselves, but that ultimately brings us to the question. There’s approximately 40 % of men in their 40s

that have erectile dysfunction. But in the veteran population, I know you work closely with the veteran population, I haven’t been able to find actual data. If it’s similar, is it more pronounced in that veteran? But you went over a few key factors, right? Like, know, post-traumatic stress, traumatic brain injury, toxic exposure. Like there’s a whole list of co-factors that could be contributing to.

greater risk of ED. Is that something that you’ve noticed in the community that there’s just more ED in the veteran world?

Elliot (11:27.758)
Well, all of our data is anonymous. So I only know about our customers if they contact me. And I open up my calendar, five to seven hours a week, speak to people for nothing. Obviously, I want know why they’re using my device so we can improve it. But I also want to help people. I’m a doctor. And I would say about 20%, 30 % of people who contact me are veterans. About 20 % are veterans. But as far as getting real data from the VA, it’s impossible.

David Morrow (11:33.16)
Mm-hmm.

David Morrow (11:56.103)
Right.

Elliot (11:57.454)
It’s striking, I don’t know if I showed, my oldest son, our oldest son is a major in the medical court now. And he like laughs at everyone. They’re all on, they’re all taking prescribed PD-5 medications whether they need them or not because it’s, you know, it’s.

And if a doctor’s prescribed PD-5 medication and not working up the, thinking does this guy, yeah, okay, he’s a vet and he’s having trouble getting it up because he, you know, he was an Afghanistan. If he’s not thinking, is this guy, does he have hypertension? Does he have diabetes? Does he have atherosclerosis? That doctor’s actually not helping that person because you don’t want to mask a problem. You know, it’s one thing for a 25 year old to, who has ED to go online and get pills. I don’t have a problem with that.

David Morrow (12:33.576)
Mm-hmm.

David Morrow (12:38.108)
Mm-hmm.

Elliot (12:49.198)
But in the veteran community, the veteran community is actually an aging community. It’s not a of 25 year olds, as you know. It’s an aging community now. And if I have guys who are 50, 50, 60 years old, who have other risk factors, diabetes, hypertension, things of that nature, or they’re obese, to have to go online and get pills because they’re embarrassed to get their situation worked up.

or the doctors are going to ask them the questions. That’s a problem. that’s where the data is so valuable, Dave, as you’ve experienced too. I’m in good health, fortunately. But when I see, I check my data four or five times a month, just the way when I go to the gym, I check my blood pressure. When I see good data, it’s a relief to me that I have four or five nocturnal directions per night.

David Morrow (13:34.408)
Mm-hmm.

Elliot (13:40.526)
And if that number went down to 201, I would be alone and I’d do something about it. So.

David Morrow (13:45.52)
Yeah, so I’d like to get into that. Why is that alarming then? What is it that would spark you as a doctor to say, well, hold on a sec. You just reduced your erections by 50%. What would be your protocol on that? What would you do with an individual or a veteran that would be showing those symptoms?

Elliot (14:06.794)
That’s a cardiovascular problem until proven otherwise. And a lot of doctors are regular about this. I didn’t know about, before I got involved in this, I didn’t understand that nocturnal erections are leading indicator of man’s cardiovascular health. Their firmness, their duration, and their number tell you about your cardiac health, also about the impact of medications and side effects of medications and other important things.

David Morrow (14:10.236)
Really.

Elliot (14:33.006)
So studies of men who’ve had heart attacks and stroke show that a man whose direction is increased by 50 % increases their risk of having a cardiovascular event, heart attack or stroke by 50 % over the next two or three years. So it might not be imminent, but it’s a signal now.

Leading indicator in medicine, I can’t emphasize enough, I know I said it on your show once before, leading indicator in medicine is powerful. It means it’s predictive. In medicine, we treat associations. High blood pressure is associated with heart attacks. But if my blood pressure goes from, make it up, from systolic of 125 to 140, it’s definitely telling me, I don’t really, it’s suggesting something might be wrong with my heart, but it’s not telling me that. Where it’s an association. If my,

David Morrow (14:59.495)
Mm-hmm.

Elliot (15:23.104)
Erections went down from an average of 3 plus per night to 1 plus per night.

That’s predictive. I have a problem. have a cardiovascular problem and your medication, just to give a medication side effect until proven otherwise. And men should take action. We’ve had men get caught. We have two men I’m aware of get cardiac catheterizations as a result of the data. We’ve had lots of men report to me how they’ve adjusted their medications. Their doctors had them on pills that are killing their dick. The penis needs blood at night. If you’re not.

If you’re not sexually, especially in men who are not sexually active, if you’re actually gonna wank off every day and, okay, well that’s a good, that counts, That’s exactly counts. And I recommend it. you’re not, you have a partner, I recommend it. I think an orgasm a day keeps a doctor away. But that said, if your number of nocturnal erections goes down, it’s important, it’s significant. So to have men,

David Morrow (16:04.092)
Counts, it counts, still a W.

Elliot (16:19.864)
who are tracking the sugar and their blood pressure and not follow this other parameter. I’m confident, I’ll put it this way, I’m confident that two or three years from now, the data we’re generating, which we call the Rectal Fitness Score, will become the standard for research and care in cardiovascular health and in neurology.

David Morrow (16:38.034)
That’s huge. And are you noticing doctors taking this cause up? Are they starting to become more aware? Because I think, because, I mean, you’re fighting a cultural taboo, right? That’s not easy to do. Not everybody’s as comfortable as you and me are talking about sex. I mean, like I said on earlier episodes, my background is teaching and I used to teach high school boys sex ed.

Elliot (16:48.599)
Slowly.

Elliot (16:58.914)
Yes.

David Morrow (17:07.016)
So for me, and I was in the infantry, so I don’t really have any qualms about talking about this stuff. I know it makes my wife blush when she listens to the show. She’s a lot more conservative than I am. But I mean, even if you don’t wanna talk about this out loud, it’s still insanely important. is it more of a North American thing that’s preventing this from being a normal conversation or these conversations happen elsewhere, just not here?

Elliot (17:32.014)
You know, people want to pick, no they’re not. People want to pick on our culture. I think the only culture that’s more, actually more open-minded than ours is Australia. I mean, I’m the highest incidence of reptile dysfunction in Asia, China, Japan, Korea, followed closely by the Persian Gulf because of Islam, undoubtedly. And so,

David Morrow (17:41.895)
What?

Elliot (17:59.278)
And the incidence of rectal dysfunction in Europe is just as high as, the Europeans just as uncomfortable in my experience as we are, to my surprise. So here’s part of the problem though. I mean, we want to say it’s cultural, but it’s also money, money, money, money. I’m noticing a shocky day, but it’s money. So imagine this, do you have a urologist spend seven minutes speaking with a patient?

David Morrow (18:05.564)
Really?

David Morrow (18:17.725)
Go on.

Elliot (18:27.666)
Urologists, if a patient goes to urologist and says he has ED, one second. Hey guys, I’m on a, shh, shh, quiet. Sorry about that, They spend seven minutes and they don’t, and I’ve experienced it myself. I went to my local urologist to experience what you, what ordinary people experience if they said they had sexual dysfunction. He asked me no questions. He gave me pills. Hey, come back, hey, here’s the yellow pill, come back in three months. I come back in three months.

David Morrow (18:37.372)
No worries.

Elliot (18:56.77)
How’s it going? said, well, it’s about the same. well, just double the dose. And he also prescribed tea. I want to get the tea in a moment. He never asked me whether I can attain erection or can’t sustain erection. He never asked me the circumstances under which I experienced about the autologous function. Hey, you got a girlfriend? Hey, you drinking too much alcohol? Smoking too much pot? What are the pills you’re taking?

So he’s working off an electronic health record. As are your doctors in Canada, as are doctors in most places in the world. If you go to a patient, they have no, when you go to a doctor for your annual physical, they got to ask you about your heart, your breathing, digestive system, urinating. They don’t have to ask you about your sexual health, which is also, which is so important to men and women and women as well too. If they were compelled to ask a question, to check a box and get paid for that, it would happen.

And so one thing I’m working on right now is trying to get to Epic, Cerner & Allscripps, which is the largest electronic health record in the United States, second largest in Canada, and get them to put questions in there. We know that men who have regular sex are healthier, not just happier.

David Morrow (19:48.805)
Interesting.

Elliot (20:09.262)
but they’re healthier. We know that men who have regular sex and cut their, and the big study in, out of the United Kingdom, showing that men who had sex twice a week could cut their, their risk of cardiovascular death by 50%. They’re gonna die anyway, but that’s, that’s an enormous, that, I mean, every guy should take that study to his wife or his partner. know, say, you’re gonna eat, you me to die?

David Morrow (20:29.956)
That’s what I use in my marketing for your ring. I’m like, hey guys, it’s twice a week. that to your wife right now. It’s twice a week.

Elliot (20:38.269)
Yeah, you know, I joke in the governor of Montana is a good friend of ours and I deep, profound respect him. And one of his major issues is keeping the family together. Because we all know that in a family which is not divorced or separated, people are actually physically healthier, happier and physically healthier and it has a profound impact upon their children.

If there’s separation or divorce, the children suffer in terms of their education. They’re more likely to be criminals. They’re more likely to get involved with drugs and alcohol, et cetera. we, there’s international data showing that couples that have regular sex, two or three times a week versus couples that have sex only a couple of times a month, their divorce rates, separation rates are half. So here’s a measure. imagine if you had the Prime Minister of Canada, or Donald Trump, went on the air and said, look,

Here’s a recommendation. I recommend that everyone in a committed relationship in this country have sex twice a week. And let’s measure health. I’m confident this is gonna help to reduce healthcare costs and improve education for kids, all these other benefits, and study that. And that program would cost nothing. No outlays of tax dollars, no hiring of administrators or bureaucrats, nothing.

What?

David Morrow (22:02.482)
The government would find a way. Here in Canada, they’d find a way. There’d be a bureaucrat assigned to it. They’re like, I don’t know. I think we only got one in on that one. We didn’t see the second one. Sorry.

Elliot (22:10.189)
You

Well, there could be a social credit score for it, of course. Yeah.

David Morrow (22:16.668)
And they use your ring as a way to test whether or not it’s actually happening by the data. So, hey, it’s a win-win. I’ll lobby, I’ll lobby. I’ll get right on the phone. JT’s out, unfortunately. He’s a Montreal guy, but we’ll work on it. Okay, so this is really interesting because these are these novel approaches to root cause issues because that’s something that the show here tries to identify. We have a culture of identifying symptoms and treating symptoms.

Elliot (22:19.352)
Perfect, great idea. A great idea. Can you lobby for that in Canada,

David Morrow (22:46.204)
but not getting to the root cause. And a root cause here, if you have ED, is the fact that cardiovascular, you’re probably not doing well. And then that brings up a whole bunch of solutions to poor cardiovascular fitness. And you mentioned them, I mean, we all know them. Don’t smoke, don’t drink, exercise, have sex with your wife, and essentially you’re doing all right. If you do those four things, sure, there’s a whole bunch of other stuff going on, but you can…

if I understand correctly, like push the grim reaper away just based on those few protocols, if you just practice them long term and therefore you’d have a healthier, happier society as a whole with like zero intervention. It’s just getting people to actually realize that and be motivated to do it is the reason why I have a job. You know, and like the reason why you have a job.

So I find that super interesting and you mentioned testosterone and before we get into the topic of testosterone like to just take a quick break and have a word with our sponsors

Elliot (23:51.192)
Sure.

David Morrow (23:53.192)
All right, so next question will be like, yeah, how does testosterone and sexual function all play into this big game? then there’s something I read too. Congress is actually looking at testosterone levels with special operators. Did you see that?

Elliot (24:14.334)
No, if you sign up, send me that link.

David Morrow (24:15.831)
Yeah. Yeah, actually, I just posted it on Instagram as like kind of like a throwaway post. just like, cut, I did a screenshot and a whole, it was from Task and Purpose magazine. And yeah, it was one of my best posts I’ve ever done. Like Dr. Kirk Parsley came in, he invited a bunch of people. Like it was really interesting. So, yeah, I’ll see if I still have it here.

Elliot (24:39.53)
I’m not such a by the way, my wife posted a, I got two pages that I wrote about Phoenix Leak Syndrome. We got so many hits. But the testosterone is really interesting because it’s a moneymaker. And doctors, I’ll make this point, but doctors are, they’re lazy, they’re not thinking about it, and they approach us in the way that makes them money. And the people pushing this,

David Morrow (24:48.762)
Interesting. Yeah, here.

Elliot (25:11.298)
Wow.

David Morrow (25:12.506)
Yeah, so.

Elliot (25:13.624)
So how low is it? How low are these guys’ testosterone?

David Morrow (25:17.032)
Well, okay, so from the guys I’m talking to, and like, I’m personally, I’m just hovering around the 300s. My buddy, my business partner, he’s felt like shit for a decade, and they have him on SSRIs, he was at 110. I’m like, whoa, that is bad, man.

Elliot (25:35.342)
Well, that’s a real problem. That’s a big problem. So Dave, yeah, let me, if you don’t mind emailing it to me, because then I’ll then, I’m look through, because, so I’m again, I’m a lot older than you, but I was in the low 300s. What does my doctor decide here?

David Morrow (25:46.396)
I’ll email it to you, yeah, because this was news to me.

Elliot (25:58.414)
Well, let’s keep around 600. Well, I don’t really, and I’ll talk a bit about my personal experience with this. I don’t know, are you taking tape?

David Morrow (26:06.465)
no, but my intent is to start. yeah.

Elliot (26:09.998)
If you’re gonna take it, let’s make you an experiment of one. Because there are subjective parameters here. Gee, I’ve got more energy, I’m sleeping better. But those are subjective. If the goddess Aphrodite shows up here,

David Morrow (26:34.45)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, precisely.

Elliot (26:34.582)
I’m going to be a lot happier as a guy, irrelevant to what my testosterone level is. If there’s Christmas tree in front of me, who’s starting to droop, and it suddenly turns into a money tree, I’m going to feel a lot better, and I’m going sleep a lot better. So sleep and energy, it’s subjective. With testosterone, you can make it objective. Either your dick is getting harder or improving in performance, or you’re not losing muscle mass, you’re getting stronger.

David Morrow (26:47.72)
Mm-hmm.

Elliot (27:02.286)
Now, there are in the longevity clinics that do these fancy bioimpedance tests, but they send electric currents through your muscles. You can do that. You can wrap a tape measure on your bicep around your pecs and you can say, okay, here’s Dave Morrow. I’m gonna start testosterone. I’m gonna have a goal of getting my testosterone to 600 to 800.

And I’m just gonna continue my usual routine. I’m not gonna go to the gym and stop pumping and I’m just gonna use my usual, whatever, I know what your routine is, mine’s like a little crossfit routine. Am I losing muscle mass, gaining muscle mass? And that’s why I still take it and I’ll talk about that when we get back home.

David Morrow (27:33.16)
Cup. Awesome. Okay, three, two, one.

Elliot (27:36.398)
But there’s also a profound difference in testosterone receptors. That’s what’s really interesting about this too. Do you know about this? So if some men respond, some men don’t. The same dose.

David Morrow (27:41.128)
interesting. No? Well, it’s funny you mention that because my buddy’s not really responding, but he’s not sure if it’s the dose or not. And on top of that here, we have a real issue with testosterone being prescribed here in Canada for whatever reason. There’s a real hesitance from all doctors, so a lot of us go to the United States to get the prescription because they just…

And then they don’t want to change it. Like they give you a cream instead of a injection. And so, you know, my buddy got a cream. I’m like, dude, it’s cause you can’t control your dosage with the cream. Like obviously like, yeah. So was like, and so then I was like, well, okay. Well then switch to the test though. It’s, it’s brand new. It’s that nasal. He doesn’t want to do needles. I’m like, okay. So just to put it your nose. And he’s like, okay, cool. And then he talked to the doctor. The doctor was like, no, he’s like, but.

Elliot (28:09.902)
You don’t want the fucking cream, you want injections.

Nah. Yeah, that’s cream, of a girl.

David Morrow (28:31.526)
This is what I want and this is a convenient delivery system. It’s new on the market. It’s FDA approved. It’s approved here at Health Canada, everything. So there’s a real resistance here and we don’t have VA doctors either. there’s a whole other, that’s a whole other conversation, but.

Elliot (28:43.97)
Well, let’s make you a one-man test.

David Morrow (28:46.692)
So my goal is, I want to start using the testo as a way to test. And the cool thing about, yeah, because I mean, you know, the drawback is you have to apply twice a day. I’m like, yeah, but I brush my teeth twice a day, so I just have it next to my toothbrush. Like, I don’t see that as a drawback as to injecting myself once a week. Anyways, so.

Elliot (28:52.504)
Let’s do it.

Elliot (29:08.494)
Hey, I got a better idea. How about your wife has to apply to your dick twice a day?

David Morrow (29:11.72)
I said jab it up my ass Yeah Yeah, yeah, I tell Fabio like hey Fabio, there’s a lot of guys hooping this Stuff man. I don’t know. Did you intend on that? Cuz I guys are really getting like they’re jacking up their testosterone levels really quickly Maybe you should do a research paper on that. Yeah

Elliot (29:15.771)
That works too. There’s good absorption to the retina mucosa. That’s a great idea. What was this nasal thing?

Elliot (29:29.886)
Hahaha

Elliot (29:35.49)
Well, there’s a lot better absorption through the rectal mucosa than there is through the nasal mucosa.

David Morrow (29:39.208)
Yeah, that’s why the Russians pack themselves full of tampons full of vodka. That’s how they hoop the vodka so they don’t smell like it later. Learn things from the Russians. All right. Well, I’m glad we’re recording. This is great. We’ll officially get back to the show in three, two, one. All right, folks, returning from my short sponsor break to restart the conversation around testosterone. That’s why I have the

Elliot (29:48.846)
you

David Morrow (30:07.464)
relatively recent article from Task and Purpose, it came out in December of this year, 2024. Something that really sparked my interest was Congress demands answers on low testosterone issues among special operators. And I was just discussing this offline with Elliot. This is a really interesting development, but the point of having this up here is, why is it that we have the issue A, first of all, in the veteran world, but

How does it relate to sexual health? so I’ll put that question to you, Elliot. How are we addressing the issue of erectile dysfunction and poor sexual health in conjunction with potentially low testosterone?

Elliot (30:52.174)
Sure. fun thing, what the headline says to me is, what’s going on with the other military people? I mean, is this the expectation? Is this some expectation that guys who are acting like Rambo are going to have high testosterone? Because that’s stupid. I mean, I like to what’s going on with, you know, hey, talk about low testosterone. I like to know what’s going on with the joint use of staff. That’s, that’s, I mean, Mark Miley kind of looks like he’s got a lot of man-boob stuff going on. don’t know. Anyway.

David Morrow (30:59.144)
Well, Yeah.

David Morrow (31:17.33)
kind of round. He’s rota he’s rotund. Yeah.

Elliot (31:21.658)
Testosterone is an issue that fascinates me, Because when I got involved, just the way I wasn’t thinking about nocturnal erections when I got involved in this three years ago, I wasn’t thinking about testosterone either. I assume, you know, I’m blessed with good health and fortunate to have sex every day and I realize I’m getting older, but it was an issue.

because I’m involved in this business talking about it with friends, I realized it’s like every guy I know who has making money, over the age of 55, has taken testosterone and they’re not talking about it with each other, but they’re taking it whether they actually need it or not. So I thought, okay, I’m gonna try it. What are my expectations? So I spoke to my scientific advisory board and some other world renowned urologists and they said, well, you should…

have maybe your nocturnal erections should last longer and maybe it’ll get a little bit harder and maybe you’ll get no erection, nocturnal erection because nocturnal erections are relatively independent of other variables, partners, drugs, marijuana, it’s not like sleeping with someone or masturbating. So I started taking testosterone. My level by the way was then as I recall initially was in low 300s probably.

Maybe average, although average for someone my age. And.

had no impact upon my sexual health. No change in my nocturnals, no difference in duration, firmness, number, et cetera. But after six weeks, I started to note that there were changes in the gym. And that really interested me because I’m 70, probably going be 72 soon. I’m concerned about losing muscle mass at my age. I’m concerned about maybe maintaining my physical health.

David Morrow (32:59.816)
Really?

David Morrow (33:11.144)
Mm-hmm.

Elliot (33:19.724)
when it comes to subjective to other factors like energy and sleep, all those things are subjective. How do you, can’t be quantified, but you can quantify your muscles. So how do I quantify muscle? I measured my biceps and my pectoral muscle with tape measure at home. There’s no fancy equipment to do this as a baseline. And I continue with my usual crossfit routine, but I’m a guy, so I’ve got to do some, bench presses and I’ve got to do some curls. Of course, it just, we’ve got to do that. and

David Morrow (33:41.906)
Of course. Of course.

Like what else are you really gonna do, right? Like if you’re gonna spend any amount of time, it’s curls for the girls. That’s a no-brainer.

Elliot (33:51.086)
hey my my wife’s impressed well she’s impressed that our friends are impressed it’s like you know by the pool and hey looks good as opposed to the other anyway

David Morrow (34:02.472)
That’s it. You never have to impress your lady. You have to impress her friends. Because then she goes, oh wait, why are you looking at my man? That’s it. That’s psychology right there.

Elliot (34:06.87)
You got it.

So, and I’m not a big guy, I weigh like 155, 156 pounds. The numbers I’m put out there might not impress a lot of people, but I went from part of my routine, bench pressing 175, three sets, blah, blah, to bench pressing 200. Over eight to 10 weeks as a final set.

David Morrow (34:24.744)
That’s good. shit.

David Morrow (34:33.074)
Shit.

Elliot (34:33.293)
And I went from curling, my curling routine was like, you know, 30, 35, 40, and then suddenly I’m 40, now I do 40, 45, 50. No, I’ve actually, I’ve actually passed out for a bit, because I’m getting elbow pain. I’m old, my joints couldn’t take it, but that was what, Dave, that was without pushing it. It wasn’t like, was like, okay, I’m gonna see, I’m taking testosterone, I’m gonna work out hard. So I still take it.

David Morrow (34:43.42)
Dr.

Elliot (35:01.198)
Why wouldn’t I? I’m 71 years old and it’s not covered by Medicare. And this part of the problem that you mentioned, probably mentioned in Canada, it’s not covered by insurance. My doctor, I’m not gonna tell his name, but he does a lot of doctors do in the United States. They make up a diagnosis. The guy says I’m hypo-gonad, but that’s bullshit. Probably shouldn’t be saying this online, but it’s bullshit. They do that that the insurance covers it and that pays for him to get paid for. he then has a…

brings me in every three months, you gotta get a blood test and then you get, then he regulates my dose. But his goal for me is to keep me at 600. But he never asked me about anything. How you feeling? Well, that’s great. It doesn’t ask about my dick, doesn’t ask about my strength. So there’s a problem. what we have now take, so one of the things that doctors are doing, and people are gonna take me to testosterone, they gotta think about this. Doctors are chasing numbers, but you as a person, man doing this,

You don’t care about the number. Guys will brag, I’m at 1200. Well, I don’t care. It’s not about the number you’ve achieved. It’s like some guy saying, my blood pressure is higher than your blood pressure. We don’t brag about our blood pressure. My sugar’s higher than yours, Dave. Your sugar sucks.

David Morrow (36:12.2)
Hahaha

Yeah, my cholesterol is way better than yours. It’s huge.

Elliot (36:20.182)
Yeah, it’s not about the number. It’s about the impact on two body systems. Muscle, objective, measure it. Dick, get a tech ring and measure it. we’re talking to our customers, a lot of guys don’t respond. So that’s interesting as well too. Why is that?

Well, the assumption is that because their testosterone receptors are different, they’re just not going to respond. You can get them jacked up to 1,000, 1,200. They’re not going to achieve the outcome that I’ve achieved with a much lower dose because their receptors are different. And we have no way of quantifying the receptors. So we don’t know who’s going to benefit, who’s not going to benefit until we actually

measure, start them in testosterone and to pick, and again, I recommend picking two parameters, muscle strength and dicks and nocturnal erections and look and measure them. But some men just don’t respond. It’s frustrating for them too.

David Morrow (37:24.018)
So in terms of receptors, are we talking about the receptors with the sex-binding globular hormone? Is that what we’re talking about?

Elliot (37:31.502)
That’s a problem as well too. That’s one of them, which was a lot of this. So another mistake that doctors make is that they don’t, they just chase the total testosterone. This is true in Canada, by the way, and much of Europe as well too, because the serum, the free testosterone, the serum, the total testosterone, a lot of testosterone is bound to a globulin in your blood. Maybe it’s too technical, but it’s bound. Your body just can’t utilize it. It’s the free testosterone that’s really important. Medicare doesn’t pay for…

free testosterone. Medicaid pays for the total testosterone. Now the total testosterone is a, it does reflect your overall testosterone level, but not as accurately as a free testosterone. And so if you can afford it, talking about the United States or Canada too, find a lab or find a doctor is going to get you a free testosterone level, not just total testosterone level.

David Morrow (38:17.319)
Mm-hmm.

David Morrow (38:21.264)
Right, because I mean, yeah, because if most of your testosterone is bound up, then you don’t have access to it. That’s a problem, right? So.

Elliot (38:30.286)
Yeah, but by receptor, I something different by receptors. By receptors, mean at the cellular level.

David Morrow (38:37.808)
Right, okay, okay. So I didn’t know that. So there’s different receptors that genetically you will just be predisposed to not being able to. So it’s the bioavailability is there, but you’re not able to access it like a, like let’s say a guy that has like quote unquote normal receptors could. So does that mean then it doesn’t matter how high you jack up their free testosterone or their total testosterone, they just won’t see the same final outcome?

which is like more muscle mass and better sex life.

Elliot (39:07.854)
So we have men in the United States who’ve heard about us, and I’ll always share your list, is that we’ve now documented 56, 57,000 reactions. We have DIC data, biggest DIC database in the world. We have men who have heard about us because of the research that we’re doing, or because the doctors recommend it now, start to recommend it. They get the tech ring before they start on testosterone therapy, because they want to make an objective. They want just the way you would, heck.

Why do I have blood pressure cuff in my desk here? Because I don’t want to guess what my blood pressure is. I want to make it objective. I want to track it objectively. Well, you can now do that with a tech ring. Although, I did have one guy complain to me. Well, now I bought the tech ring. Now I understand why it’s not working. Why I spend all this money on testosterone. I spent like $2,000 on testosterone last year and a half. Anyway, so that’s the…

And actually Dave, we’re probably gonna sell a package in the third quarter of this year to men say, look, we’re looking right now as you’re aware for preferred testosterone provider, someone who feels producing a quality product. And we’re speaking to both a nasal testosterone and a company that does injectable testosterone. And we want to be able to provide as a package to men, here’s a tech ring.

And use a tech ring to regulate or assess what’s the right dose for you. Make it objective and make it personal. Because one of the mistakes that doctors make is we treat everyone as if they’re one size fits all. And we’re not. I mean, you earlier shared with me what your testosterone number was. I won’t say what it is, but it was pretty much the same as mine. We’re different ages. We take different medications. We’re in different physical health. Our response is going to be different as well, too. And so…

David Morrow (40:35.1)
Mm-hmm.

Elliot (40:55.342)
for a doctor to put you and me on the same dose is kind of stupid. want to find out what your baseline is, both data and testosterone, baseline rectal fitness score, baseline muscle mass, and what your baseline testosterone total free testosterone is, and then go from there. That’s the intelligent way to proceed.

David Morrow (41:16.42)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that makes a lot of sense. I’ve shared my testosterone levels on the podcast before. So I’ve been hovering around 300. And you just nailed it. You’re almost 30 years older than me with the same testosterone levels. And I know I’ve had these conversations with my doctor. He’s not concerned at all. But I’ve told him, I’m like, look, yes, I go to the gym. I eat well. I sleep well.

I have sex regularly. I do all the things that should get me to a, let’s say at least a 600. Like let’s be conservative here. But it’s not. And I’ve been doing all the right things. But you know, I don’t feel great either. But my sexual health is good. I can add muscle. like symptomatically, it seems okay, but I just don’t feel great. And so that…

tells me because my energy levels is always low, I have to fight every day to just get out of bed and go, I’m thinking that it’s probably one of the factors for me not feeling so great.

Elliot (42:21.302)
It could well be, there’s a man, quote unquote, customers who, and the guy looks ripped. The guy, that guy could, he could play a special forces operator in some Hollywood fantasy web, what a special forces operator should look like. And his total testosterone was awesome, but he didn’t get free testosterone. His complaint to me was, I’m seeing, he’s like a lot of guys in States, I’ve seen three doctors now.

I don’t have the energy that I had 10 years ago. He’s probably about 50. I know the energy. I don’t have the libido. I don’t have the sex stamina that I did before.

And if you’re of even in, this guy’s really fucking ripped. And he’s the type of guy who likes to, I’ve certainly met guys like this, he likes to grab me by my bicep. And he’d think, fuck, come on, dude, what are we, high schoolers here? Yes, you’re impressive. Right, yeah, power move, yeah. And I suggest to him two things. One, get a tech ring.

to you need to get your free testosterone. His free testosterone was disaster. So his total testosterone was like 70 % to 5 % higher than mine. His free testosterone was a fraction of mine. His issue is probably genetic. what he and his…

David Morrow (43:31.176)
Elliot (43:47.566)
Overnight data was okay. I mean, I you know, it was a little bit less than what I would expect You know for a man for man his eight which is two plus. He should have been about three plus at his age nocturnal erections and my Advice Tim was one you need your doctor says you don’t need testosterone you need testosterone So he started he started he started taking it and he got his he’s taking much a really large dose But he got his to serum testosterone up to the low normal range and he’s happier. His wife is a lot happier, too

David Morrow (44:17.266)
Hmm.

Elliot (44:17.358)
He has a more positive attitude about sex. The duration of his nocturnals is not a lot, but about 15%. Part of it could just be psychological as well too. But the data was helpful to him in terms of directing what the right dose of testosterone is.

David Morrow (44:39.804)
Hmm, yeah. That makes a lot of sense too. Once you find some relief, right? Especially when you know you’re not firing on all cylinders. It’s frustrating when you’re told, no, you are, you’re good. By a professional, by a doctor. But I know myself better than any doctor. And I take care of myself and I record things down. so when it feels like I’m being gaslit into, no, no, no, you’re fine, don’t worry about it. I’m more concerned about that small blip on your cholesterol score.

Let’s let’s pay attention to that instead and I go no, I’m okay I just want to really make sure that my testosterone levels are good and I do a test essentially to make sure that if I get it up I feel better than great I know that was the issue to be kind of dismissed out of hand. It is a bit frustrating but I want to change topics here because you came up with a Interesting device and going back to your biohackers conference We’ve just been talking about male sexual health here

Elliot (45:10.196)
Yeah.

David Morrow (45:39.28)
You’ve come up with a device that is similar in nature to your tech ring for dudes, but now you’ve got something for the ladies. Can you get into that for a little bit?

Elliot (45:48.078)
Yeah, the device is called the Catech, and I’ve got a prototype somewhere. Yeah, we want to mention the health of the clitoris, which is right now an unknown. Women have nocturnal clitoral erections. They haven’t been studied since Maslow Johnson. Think about that. Just the way with…

David Morrow (46:14.824)
I honestly, I didn’t know this until like three days ago when I was like researching that talk of yours. I’m like, what? Females have nocturnal infections? What are you talking about?

Elliot (46:23.67)
And our assumption is it’s going to be same thing as in men. there’s a certain, women might have more than men do. We have no idea. But the assumption is there’s going probably at least be as many as men do. women and women who are diabetic or hypertension or morbid obesity or taking certain medications, they’re going to get decreased clitoral blood flow and have decreased clitoral erections at night. And that measuring

clitoral erections, but also measuring clitoral erections during sex will be just as significant as it is for men. Women and their health care providers will be able to assess the impact of diseases, medications, alcohol or drugs, et cetera, et cetera, upon their sexual health. This is what it looks like. I intend to.

bring this out at least in research for research tool by Q4 this year. If anyone you listens to write me a check for a quarter million dollars. I can make this happen a lot faster. But I’ve exhausted my spare capital on the mail device. There are two papers about utilizing this device. This is the form. mean, this is a 3D printed form. basically, this will go inside the vagina. But this part is behind the pubic symphysis.

David Morrow (47:30.024)
Hahaha

Elliot (47:45.326)
There’ll be a pressure sensor here so we can measure PCG muscle contractions. But I’m more interested in the of clitoris. Muscle contractions, female muscle contractions, that’s been studied. What hasn’t been studied is the clitoris. So we will have sensors that will measure blood flow, pulse, pulse amplitude, and the clitoris as it gets aroused. it’s also a down, by the way, this is a down good sex toy too, but the…

But the data’s gonna be great. So we call it the critique. it’s really, I mean right now I’m funding the R &D of it a little bit per month, month, because that’s all I can afford. So it will happen. It’ll happen in 26 probably, unless I can get funding. It shocks me by the way that I can’t get funding. It really, it truly does. And I don’t understand why, you know, why,

One, why are people doing it? I don’t understand why there’s I guess some of you mentioned before, some prudishness about investing in sex. Yeah.

David Morrow (48:51.393)
It’s prudish and taboo. mean, if I understand correctly, this is the first of its kind. Nothing exists in this field. So anytime you’re the first of anything, people don’t know what it is. They don’t know what to think of it. And typically most people never want to be the first in any venture because it’s too risky for them. So they’ll just ignore it out of hand, right?

Elliot (48:57.582)
Correct.

Elliot (49:14.626)
Yeah, there’s so much money in fertility for women and now in menopause or in looking at the impact of women’s cycles upon their thinking and their emotions, et cetera. But a lot of the problems between heterosexual couples,

have to do with the health of the penis and the clitoris. So, you know, often on the therapy side, where they don’t think about medical problems, on the therapy side, it’s all about communication. And you need to look into your past and what trauma and stuff from the past. But what if the problem is that you’re not getting a blood flow to your clitoris or your blood flow to your penis? And the answer is actually a lot simpler. For men, the answer is…

I could, I get a lot of complaints about my mother, but you know what, I’ve put a ring on it, my cock works just fine. so, women have vibrators, but they also, they get old, have diseases, they have problems that are physical and can be addressed if we had more data, if we had more knowledge about what’s really going on. So let’s talk about testosterone in women. So.

David Morrow (50:28.603)
Yeah.

Elliot (50:31.502)
I believe that this will become a standard for care for women, all post-menopausal women in three to five years. For most of my medical career, there’s been this sort of struggle to get hormone replacement therapy for post-menopausal women. So, oh, know, what about the risks of cancer, blah, blah? And now it’s estrin creams, pills.

are a standard of care in Canada, the United States, and most of the world. It’s unusual to find a woman who’s postmenopausal who’s not taking either pills and or creams. But the other hormones missing is testosterone. So when women go through menopause, over, we stop producing testosterone. And that doesn’t happen to men. mean, men talk about the andropause, but the andropause is a slow decline in the production of testosterone. It’s not this precipitous decline that women experience, both estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone.

And in my limited experience, prescribing testosterone to women or talking to women, female gynecologists or urologists, prescribing testosterone to women, it’s a game changer. It is like, it,

Well, speaking married man to married man here, there’s a big difference between a woman who wants it and a woman who, hey, I’m turned, I don’t know, if I get into it, I’ll get into it. Maybe I’ll get into it, maybe I won’t get into it. if I get turned on, if you turn me on, I’ll figure out what I really want tonight. As opposed to, Dave, you look as hot to me now as you did 10 years ago.

David Morrow (51:57.768)
If the mood strikes me, hmm…

Elliot (52:11.374)
Can you walk in and out of the shower again? that looks good.

David Morrow (52:11.698)
Go get your tech ring right now. It’s on.

Go do some push-ups for me. I like it when you do that Go yeah, go put it go put it on that those pair of pants that I really like do you have your uniform? Throw that bad boy on it’s been in your closet for too long

Elliot (52:27.278)
Just go hold bend over that desk. So it’s a big it’s just a big difference in mindset and it’s really been interesting both in my marriage talk other women about the impact of testosterone even upon women in their 60s and 70s. So back to something that the people talk about you know again the the medical community sucks at getting at the psychosocial issues they don’t ask any questions.

They’re not gonna ask you or me or any other guy pretty much, hey, how is your love life? And when is it good and when is it bad? And what makes it better? On the psychosocial side, it’s like, well, let’s do work. Let’s communicate. Let’s open up. Yeah.

David Morrow (53:11.376)
Yeah, and then all us guys roll our eyes like, I just want to get laid. If we got laid, this would be over. We all think the same thing. It’s like, like honestly, if we just bang like two more times a week, we would be a-okay because I’d feel connected. And that’s the thing, I’ve had this conversation a million times, right? Based on like needs and wants and you know, for me, like I need is sex. Like it’s not like I just want it, I need it because if I don’t get it, I don’t have the same connection with my wife because

I have friends, we have a different relationship. I don’t have sex with them. You know what I mean? Like, I have sex with my wife. That’s the only woman I get to have sex with. I need to be able to connect and she wants the connection, but it’s like putting the dots together. It’s like, this is how it works for me and I will be listening, I’ll be asking questions, I’ll be a lot more attentive. Most guys are in that same boat and if you can get the hormones right.

and then you can get the communication right and you’d have like the actual like union, know, of the marriage. Speaking in biblical terms, you know, like that’s how, like you said, like to bring it full circle, can solve a lot of society’s ills if we have more sex, because we will be more connected, the family won’t break up, the kids will be better looked after, they’ll grow up with a greater chance of being successful. And in two generations, hey, what’d you guys do? And we just told everybody to bang more.

Elliot (54:08.92)
Yeah.

Elliot (54:14.637)
So.

Elliot (54:19.416)
Bye.

David Morrow (54:38.012)
Like, that’s it. We had this cool device. We started having sex games. Like we started seeing like who’s having more sex and like people just like went crazy with it. And we had like what was sweepstakes and all kinds of prizes. That was it. That was it.

Elliot (54:51.916)
Yeah, that’s, think for many couples, gay and straight, committed couples, the answer is on the male side, a ring, and on the female side, tea. You can do lots of therapy, communicate, you can talk, but.

David Morrow (55:07.752)
Hmm

Elliot (55:14.401)
For talking to my customers, so many, I’m not talking about older men, men older than you at least, you’re like youth. So many older men, they put a ring on it and suddenly issues that they throw are insurmountable. don’t want to have sex with my wife because I’m losing my erection.

I got rain on it. That’s totally different now. And she’s happy too, because she’s more confident, because I’m more confident. And she no longer has to worry about I’m going to lose it. All this awkwardness about people going to bed, the sort of fear that people get, the mutual anxiety, he’s going to lose it. Or on the female side, I can’t turn her on. So she’s not into it. And so I think I’ll go cheat on her. think I’ll go sleep at Pornhub tonight.

David Morrow (55:42.557)
Yeah.

David Morrow (55:57.544)
Yeah.

Elliot (55:59.998)
These things can be addressed with, you know, not just necessarily with therapy. don’t know, just therapy, but they can be addressed with rings and with hormone levels, addressing hormone levels.

David Morrow (56:13.042)
fantastic. So, Elliot, what’s next for the company and what do you see in the future with sexual health and sexual health improvement for men and women?

Elliot (56:24.302)
Well, the next thing for the company, because we have seven out papers that are set for publication. 15 studies are either approved or underway. We want to become the standard for research and for care. We think, I think, doctors should not be prescribing PD-5 medications, shockwave therapy, Botox, testosterone, without data that is objective.

actionable and most important individual not one size fits all not I heard this anecdote this is going to work or I saw the celebrity online who’s doing all these things and I’m to do with the celebrities but as it’s your data as objective actual and personal and I think we’re going to accomplish that for men and for women we as a company we will I’m expecting that we will by the end of this year

we will get full FDA approval. Right now we’re approved for safety, but we will be approved for efficacy. And that will allow us to eventually next year to get insurance coverage. Now, of course, David, in a fantasy world, the government of Canada will listen to this podcast and it will come to me and say,

David Morrow (57:22.088)
Wow.

Elliot (57:27.938)
Fuck the US, man. We’re the Canadian FDA, are gonna, this is gonna be great for Canada. We’re gonna bring this into Canada. How can we help you financially? And by the way, that female device, great idea. want some, million dollars, what’s that? It’s nothing, here, here’s a check. That’s not gonna happen, unfortunately. But.

David Morrow (57:46.312)
I got a direct line, Elliot, you never know. You never know. Don’t never say never.

Elliot (57:48.446)
you

Elliot (57:54.929)
So I think that on the male side, will be, next two years, there be a growing acceptance that, you want to get men, want to get their data, the way they get their blood pressure checked, or the lipoproteins, that you get their data, and men should not see rings as a crush, they should see it as an enhancer, the way women see vibrators as enhancer, other sexual pleasure and their confidence. And then the same thing will happen.

to women. are coming out with a version 2.0, the tech ring, that’s going to have more data. We’ll actually be able to, probably Q3 this year, late Q3, we’re going to be able to tell you the girth of your dick flaccid and aroused within a micromillimeter. the device will be, right now we have 110 hardness score. It’ll be even more precise. We’re also going to put an accelerometer into it and that will allow us to gamify it. So, yeah, yeah, we’re doing it, yeah.

David Morrow (58:48.636)
This is what we were talking about last year. Are you doing it? Yes. That’s amazing.

Elliot (58:53.228)
So could be, we could be sending notifications to your wife. What’s your wife’s name?

David Morrow (58:56.909)
that stuff.

Elliot (59:00.046)
Steph, hey Steph, that rear-end shoot for last month, it’s getting kind of boring for, it’s probably getting kind of boring for David. You gotta mix it up, it’s, because what we’ve seen is at least the problems in marriages. It’s just, there needs to be more variety. Or it could be, hey David, you’re on the bottom all the time, you’re not burning any calories. You need to be more active when you’re having sex, you know.

David Morrow (59:20.762)
Once, honestly, when I get this on my phone as part of my health data, this is gonna be next level. I can’t wait. That’s what we’re talking.

Elliot (59:28.076)
Or you could be competing with your friends. You could go into your gym and suddenly, instead of My Zone, it’s your score. Hey, Dave’s here. my God, look at Dave’s fucking last week, or Dave.

David Morrow (59:39.368)
It’s like, is this guy putting it on animal? Because this doesn’t make any sense. This is insane data, just the way I roll. It’s like Orange Theory, you have those screens, right, and you see everybody’s calorie expenditure, that would be insane. That alone, when you gamify something and make it fun, that’s next level. That’s next level. Oh man, man, what a competition. What a competition.

Elliot (01:00:00.77)
Well, who’s firmer, the Canadian Special Forces or the American?

Elliot (01:00:08.179)
or which hockey team or whatever.

David Morrow (01:00:11.012)
Whoa, now we’re getting serious. Now we’re getting serious. This is going to, honestly, like the societal like ripples that this can have just to like correct the path that we’re on right now. Because at the end of the day, we’re getting healthier because of this thing and having fun at the same time. I think you got a billion dollar industry right here. please include me in the fun. I’ll gladly be one of your first test subjects in the sport.

of firm tech sex. yeah, we’ll, we’ll start the team. We’ll start the Canadian team right here. So Elliot, I really appreciate your time as per usual. Tons of insightful stuff here. And there’s even more to go over. But I want to be respectful of your time. And, know, I want to go enjoy my Friday too. Maybe we’ll go hang out with the wife a little bit longer before the kids come home. You know I’m saying? No, saying get some firm tech action going on. So folks, if you want to get ahold of Elliot and you want to

Elliot (01:01:00.078)
Post it.

David Morrow (01:01:09.074)
get a tech ring, there’s a link here in the description. And Elliot, what’s the best way for folks to find out more about your company?

Elliot (01:01:15.886)
Sure, go to myfremtech.com, m-y-f-i-r-m-t-c-h.com. Even if you don’t buy a product, just join the email list and you will get updates about our research. Not just about our, hey, we got a special going on, but you’ll actually get valuable information about male sexual health and about our research.

David Morrow (01:01:38.854)
Right on. That’s amazing. So folks, make sure to go take care of your health. Dudes, take it seriously. Go get a ring like Elliot says, put a ring on it and start 2025 off on the right foot. I don’t have a pun to end this one off on. So I’m just going to sign off as per usual. Train hard, fight easy. See you the next one, guys. Peace.